Charlie White is a terrible human being

Dateline: Fri 03 Feb 2012

In the interest of being an equal-opportunity offender, this Charlie White character is as guilty as sin, and his refusal to testify on his home-residence/falsification of records trial just seals the deal.

Lock him up.

Tainted by Carl Brizzi, the secretary of state is the worst of the worst of fat cat politicians.

Off with his head.

Thanks to Carrie Ritchie's article in this morning's Star detailing his decision to not speak on his own behalf at his own trial.



hendy [Member] said:

Poetry, pets, politics. You cover it all ;)

2012-02-03 12:46:16

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

I'm a firm civil libertarian, and in that vein, he has the right to refuse to incriminate himself.

He's already lost in the Court of Public Opinion. Big Time. I find it hard to believe that two special prosecutors--one from each party and NOT from Hamilton County--found cause to indict, if the charges cannot be proven.

But I hasten to point out: it IS Hamilton County.

A side note: the mortgage fraud charges are actually very serious. Perhaps moreso than the vote fraud. You don't screw around with HUD documents.

2012-02-03 12:52:04

hendy [Member] said:

Vop Osili is the one that's owed the big debt here. He did a straight-up campaign, an honorable one, and was beaten by (is the jury in yet?) a ____________. If the jury finds White guilty, then there's a major apology due the new Secretary of State, Vop Osili.

2012-02-03 13:39:07

guy77money [unverified] said:

Your 100 percent right Ruth! While we are at it lets lock up Daniels (he don't live in the Governor's mansion where he voted from), Evan and his wife (yup he hangs in his cheap condo when he's in Indy), and Luger and his wife for voting and renewing their auto licences from a residence they haven't lived in or owned in 20 years! Maybe we could find a nice minimum security prison with valets and personal chefs to lock them all up in.

2012-02-03 17:37:08

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

IMHO, it's irrational to require a long-serving senator or US congressperson to maintain two residences. (That's something that should be changed.)

However, both Daniels and White have been elected to Indianapolis-based positions. There's no reason not to require that they actually live where they register to vote from.

2012-02-04 05:04:03

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Guy: you clearly don't understand Indiana voting and residency laws. One-by-one:

Our reps sent to DC have long been given wide berth on the whole residency issue. Two homes are hard to maintain on any salary.

The Lugar chllenge has some legs. Seems the "home" he's claimed for years was sold two decades ago to someone else, and she didn't give permission. Which would've been all Lugar needed to establish residency. Sloppy. Stupid.

Evan Bayh, prior to marriage, lived in a condo downtown that his father bought in the 70s. That's after undergrad (Bloomington) and law school (UVa). Prior, the Bayh family maintained residency while the senior Bayh was a senator, from a farm near Terre Haute, which they owned and maybe still own. And the case against Evan was brought by the Indiana Republican party, when another favorite son, Rob Bowen, was running against EB for Sec. of State in 1986. A rightwing-conservative Republican Shelby County judge ruled quickly and firmly in EB's favor. So that dead horse, altho still popular among GOP whiners, is pushing up daisies. Sour grapes for a man who forever changed Indiana politics and busted up that convenient little Republican cartel.

Look--the SOS is entrusted with several specific statutory duties. Among them is statewide election administration. And we have been told for eight years by White's predecessor Rokita, that voter fraud is rampant and so dangerous that we needed specific laws to deal with it (read: once again, Republicans suppressing voting).

Rokita searched far and wide, and found no rampant voter fraud. Nonetheless, we pushed ahead with Voter ID, because the sky was falling and when confronted with the most-substantial and documented case of voter fraud in Indiana history (White's), Rokita balked.

I've watched the Indiana legislature, for almost four decades, continually try to thwart any suggestions to make voting easier. Always, always led by Republicans. And I'm sick of it.

Charlie White was no babe in the woods. An attorney, seasoned politician, and county GOP chair in the most Republican county in America.

All this residency thing was to accomplish one menial task--try to hold onto a Fishers Town Council seat, which required he live in a specific district.

Forest for the trees, Charlie.

And thanks for nothing, Todd Rokita. You could've ended this. White was never, ever a qualified candidate for SOS.

2012-02-04 06:02:16

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

The AP resports our very own Indiana election chief has been found guilty of voter fraud. (Note the last paragraph, below.)

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's top elections official could lose his job and his freedom after jurors convicted him of multiple voter fraud-related charges on Saturday, leaving in flux the fate of one of the state's most powerful positions.

Republican Secretary of State Charlie White has held on to his office for more than a year despite being accused of lying about his address on voter registration forms.

A Hamilton County jury found White guilty of six of seven felony charges, including false registration, voting in another precinct, submitting a false ballot, theft and two counts of perjury. He was acquitted on one fraud charge.


It wasn't immediately clear what would happen to White's elected office. He has resisted calls to resign from Democrats and Republicans, including Gov. Mitch Daniels, but state law bars anyone convicted of a felony from remaining in office.


Daniels announced Saturday he had appointed White's chief deputy, Jerry Bonnet, as interim secretary of state.


The jury verdict came after a weeklong trial in which White, who had vigorously protested the charges in hearings before a state elections panel, presented no defense.

Prosecutors said he used his ex-wife's address instead of a condo he had with his fiancee because he didn't want to give up his $1,000-per-month Fishers Town Council salary after moving out of that district. He faced seven felony charges, including voter fraud, perjury and theft.

White, 42, has said the charges ignored a complicated personal life in which he was trying to raise his 10-year-old son, plan his second marriage and campaign for the statewide office he won that November. He said he stayed at his ex-wife's house when he wasn't on the road campaigning and did not live in the condo until after he remarried.

Brizzi told the jury during his closing arguments Friday that White's name was on the condo's bills and documents because he was paying for his fiancee and her children to live there, not because he was living at that address.

No sentencing date was set.

Republican special prosecutor John Dowd expressed satisfaction about the verdict.

"We believe it was about someone who violated the law and cheated the system – and gamed the system," Dowd said. "And, obviously, the jury thought the same way."

A Marion County judge has ruled that White should be replaced by Democrat Vop Osili, the man he defeated by about 300,000 votes in the November 2010 election, but that ruling is on hold pending an appeal.


During his closing arguments, assistant special prosecutor Dan Sigler Jr. argued that White knew that he was committing voter fraud but did it anyway for political power.

"If we aren't going to enforce election law against the secretary of state of Indiana, who are we going to enforce it against?" Sigler said.

2012-02-04 07:39:25

hendy [Member] said:

White got off on the mortgage fraud charge, but was convicted around the clock on the other six charges. Daniels appointed his #2 as interim SoS, in the vague hope that the judge would reduce the convictions down to misdemeanors that would allow White to stay in office.

If the judge does this, he'd insult the voters of Indiana. Oddly, the IBJ isn't carrying the story, and numerous other online papers sampled this morning in Indiana didn't have the story.

Post-sentencing, White's trying to get it all reduced to misdemeanors, as mentioned above. If this should happen, we need to consider the impeachment of a sitting judge. It would be an enormous travesty of justice. Daniels needs to get out of the way and let Vop Osili get into office. From there, let Vop do the job he was elected to do. I hope Osili has the ability effectively carry out his office in the face of a boorish Daniels administration.

2012-02-04 07:52:02

John Howard [unverified] said:

Hmmm, are White's attorneys also 'terrible human beings' for following due process of law and providing him his right to counsel?

And when did the 5th amendment to our Constitution get changed to become a proof of guilt?

You retort as if White was charged and convicted of serial child molestation.

2012-02-04 08:18:30

What happens next? [unverified] said:

I find it hilarious folks think multimillionaire DC politicians would have it so hard to actually keep some sort of residency in the area they represent. Seriously, how hard is it to rent a $500/month apartment? I understand some freshman officials may come from wealth families, or have made six-figure a year jobs prior to their being elected. Still, it isn't that hard for most to find something they could call home. An apartment, a small two-bedroom home, etc. Most who continue on in their respective position by winning election after election seem to have more and more of their lives (at least in terms of income, making a living) in DC. DC is where they will make their life, either in an elected position or some lobbying firm.

Then again, this is a country based on the premise that one should live paycheck to paycheck with a huge debt load to boot. I guess even after being a successful business owner, attorney, etc. making say $1M over ten or so years, they still might not have enough to fund two homes??

As far as getting the convictions reduced to misdemeanors, if others get the same consideration, so should Charlie White. Funny we would want to recall a judge who does this for White, yet I bet there are violent criminals out there who have gotten the same consideration, yet nary a peep from outraged citizens.

2012-02-04 15:56:27

hendy [Member] said:

Uh, no.

Everyone has choices. We choose the rule of law in the US. I abide by it. Charlie White didn't. His right against self-incrimination worked; he and his attorneys didn't incriminate White. But the jury believed the prosecutors, and convicted White on all but one charge.

We have outraged citizens. Violent criminals that are given just punishment serve the cause of justice. Justice should be impartial and fair, whether you're part of the 1 or 99%. Equal protection under the law is an important concept, as is the prohibition of bills of entendre.

2012-02-04 16:04:05

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

I'm not a lawyer (and I don't even play one on TV), but I'll bet White was offered a plea deal that included misdemeanor convictions, and turned it down because he thought he could beat felony convictions.

Bad move.

2012-02-05 04:13:47

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

According to legal gossip circles, Mr. White was indeed offered a deal that would've let him keep his law license. He balked. He still thinks that this whole thing is a big political vendetta.

So Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

John Howard: I strongly support Mr. White's ability to hide behind the Constitution. That's why it's there. He rolled the dice, stupidly, and lost. And as for the loud uproar--the Republican Party has been sewing the seeds of discontent over voter fraud for eight freaking years. Over nothing. And when voter fraud actually strips naked and sits on their desks (read: Rokita), they turn their heads for political expediency.

The loud uproar we all hear, is a pent-up anger at years of rampant hypocrisy over voter fraud.

The collective hubris at that defense table surely filled the room. Brizzi was a stupid choice as defense counsel. The established Indiana-paid legal system (prosecutors, judges) hold Carl in very low esteem.

2012-02-05 07:03:33

sjudge [unverified] said:

There's absolutely nothing that the Secretary of State (or the Treasurer for that matter) does that involves a policy decision. Both are essentially ministerial positions, and for the most part, the guy (girl?) we elect to either position just hires folks who actually do the work while they ready themselves to run for some other office. Indiana would be much better served by getting these offices off the ballot and allowing the Governor to appoint the positions, which, in Charlie's case is just what he did. You'll see no change whatsoever in the functions of the office.

2012-02-06 07:22:50

varangianguard [unverified] said:

Well, the current Governor seems to have some problems with appointing competent subordinates. Good thing he (I mean Cheri) decided not to run for President. We don't need another President Grant.

2012-02-06 09:13:02

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

SJudge: the Indiana SOS is tasked by either statute or the Constitution, with overseeing elections and securities registrations. If you think Securities isn't a big deal, ask anyone hoodwinked by Fair Finance. And for what it's worth, the initial clue there was somethingk wrong there, came from a consumer complaint to the Ohio and Indiana SOSs, who started an investigation that quickly went viral. To Tim Durham's (and Carl Brizzi's) dismay.

I don't want Mitch anywhere near securities. Mmmm K?

2012-02-06 11:05:44

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