Grand Jury report

Dateline: Fri 11 Nov 2011

In the Penn State sex abuse allegations case against Jerry Sandusky.

From the Washington Post.


citizen x [Member] said:

Thanks for posting this. This is really sad. The boys are scarred forever.

What strikes me is the incredible lengths the university officials went to in order to cover this up. Reading this leaves no doubt in my mind that the coach and the president were justly fired. I have to question why the assistant coach who witnessed the shower room sodomy was not fired as well.

2011-11-11 08:01:14

ruthholl [Member] said:

At least that guy -- assistant who witnessed -- reported it. But even he did not move fast enough, in my view. And why didn't he confront Sandusky over what he witnessed? When a child is involved, there is no privacy.
Lots of blame to go 'round here....
Some have tried to compare this to the Catholic church ( a bureaucracy) did in its coverup. But as one source said, the church portends to speak for God and have a higher moral authority. Hence the bigger the claim to sanctity, the harder the fall....
But I think a lot of institutions act like this. It is the old "cover your ass" mentality we all know retrospect, it seems shocking. But another case of "good" men being morally lax....

2011-11-11 10:36:00

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Folks are missing the central point here---Penn and Indiana law require you to report any suspicion of child abuise immediately, without regard for institutional protocol.

The law's intent: to let the professionals sort out truth from lies. And protect children.

Anyone who did NOT report their observations, or credible rumors, should be fired. Now. And they'll likely be brought up on felony charges, too, for concealing info that could've protected many more kids.

Indiana school districts and public universities have in-serviced their staffs on this critical component of the law for over 20 years. The law was modeled after a boilerplate from the National Association of State Legislators, I'm sure Penn's is similar or even stronger.

This isn't over.

The extra tidbit about the MIA 2002 prosecutor took another twist. Yesterday it was reported that his laptop was found at the bototm of a river. With its hard drive missing.

2011-11-11 12:12:07

whosear [Member] said:

TTT, if you read the report, there was a requirement to report abuse to PA's equivalent to CPS only within 48 hours, not immediately. The Grand Jury found the AD & VP only responsible for not doing so, not the Grad Asst and Paterno. Indeed, it referred to both as, "Staff' who reported it to those responsible for reporting to CPS

The Grand Jury found Paternos' testimony credible, and absolves him of any legal responsibility as it was the AD Curley and VP Schultz who had the responsiblity to report it. There was and still is no requirement to report it to law enforcement in PA.

I've been trained to in procedures when a crime occurs or is reported in both banking and teaching. I followed those procedures once in banking and 10 times in education. Each time, I was the first to whom the crime was being reported. As soon as I knew there might be something that required reporting to either Child Protective Services or law enforcement, I stopped the discussion and contacted the proper authority. First, you don't want a potential victim or perp or witness repeating their story as it can change and be influenced by whom it is being told to. Defense attorneys will make hay out of this. Second, it would draw me into the case, again allowing another way for an attorney to muddy the picture.

It is difficult to draw good conclusions from the grand jury transcript as it is a summary of, and not an account of actual testimony. Pertinent facts are scattered throughout, such as, the GA was never asked about specific details about the incident in the showers by Schultz. Then states, "no one ever did.", which implies that Paterno did ask about specific details.

It is sad what happened at Penn State, but it seems that the first casualty in its aftermath will be the truth.

Finally, what has been missed on the national scene has been the crackerjack newspaper accounts by crime reporter, Sara Ganim of the Harrisberg Patriot-News, who has been on this story since March.

Here is her original story:

Apparently, another PA reporter was digging around too, link to the story:

Now I'm wondering why national media is not attributing their stories to these reporters. I think what should be examined here is the whole rotten system. Because Penn State is CYAing still with firing Paterno. And who is going to have to deal with it: his firing, the riots, the aftermath? The victims of course.

I understand the outrage, the reaction and anger, that is given. But staying stuck in stupid will not get us to the truth, and the reform necessary to our institutions, from Penn States to the media, to make this a better place.

2011-11-12 10:47:26

whosear [Member] said:

Ok, I lied, Lastly, here is a link to a Ganim story that summarizes the grand jury transcript. Much easier to read. (after reading a couple of her stories, I have to go back and re-read the transcript about reporting to the police).

2011-11-12 11:20:40

whosear [Member] said:

Sorry, the story link:

2011-11-12 11:21:47

Whitebeard [unverified] said:

I find it incredible that people are angry about the firing of Paterno. He is very fortunate that he wasn't charged in this horrific mess.

I was a newspaper sports writer, sports editor, and contributing writer to a number of national and state sports magazines back in my newspaper days.

I have seen and written about a lot of coaches being fired for many reasons that would seem trivial in comparison to what happened under Paterno's watch.

Head coaches take responsibility for all that happens in their programs. They know this going in. They get paid massive paychecks to do this as a part of their jobs.

The Ohio State football coach got fired last year because some of his kids were selling OSU memorabilia and bartering it for tatoos.

I think Paterno got off quite easy. I wish him healing and recovery from all of this - if he is truly repentant - but these people who are so outraged by his firing need to find good psychoanalysts.

2011-11-14 12:49:25

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