What was gained?

Dateline: Tue 29 Mar 2011

So those rascally rascals, the House Dems under the "leadership" of Rep. Patrick Bauer, are back in town after skipping out to Urbana, Ill., for five long weeks.

They will have to pay more than $100,000 in fines, which, according to today's Indianapolis Star, will go into the House budget. Thanks for that.

But if someone can tell me what they accomplished -- really -- I'd be grateful and perhaps enlightened.

So far, the Star's editorial this morning -- written undoubtedly by the conservative Tim Swarens (WHY do newspapers persist in this tradition of an editorial position without attaching a name?) -- says it all for me.

"If Democrats had returned shortly after the right-to-work proposal was killed, then they could have legitimately declared victory. And they would have been in a good position to influence how the rest of the session unfolded, despite their relatively small number of seats." (60-40).

I fail to see how this strategy will endear any independent voters to Democrats; I know hard-line Dem partisans and union folks are all about it, but come on.... The American worth ethic is too strongly engrained in many of us to think this stunt had any merit.

Again, I know many who read this screed were in favor of the walkout as the only sane strategy, and Pat Bauer be damned and/or praised.

But after 5 weeks, what was gained?

'Splain it to me, Lucy....


hendy [Member] said:

I think you'll find part of the answer here: http://tellhetrick.com/blog/2011/03/14/singing-the-oft-unpopular-praises-of-minority/.

The Right to Work components have NOT indeed been put into a state where they can't be voted upon, just like the hoodwinking done in Wisconsin.

And for those totally ingrained in the Calvinist work ethic: quit now, so that you can live. You're a tool of your pastor, not your Lord. Commit to those that voted for you, and don't err from their desires. Otherwise: enjoy.

Pat Bauer, with any luck, is over. So, with any luck, is Brian Bosma. Read the same for Mitch Daniels, who had a cool head this time and didn't call Bauer a *terrorist* as he has in the past. Harrison, save us from these goobs.

2011-03-29 08:19:39

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Hendy and I should go on the road.

I am no Bauer fan. Thirty-eight years is about 25 too long. He has plenty of company in that crowd, on both sides of the aisle. I hated the thought of term limits, but not any more.

When Pat Bauer took his father's House seat, 60% of today's voters weren't eligible to vote. Ponder that for a minute.

Here's what the prolonged walkout accomplished: RTW, a horrid piece of legislation, is off the table, and likely can't come back even with tomfoolery. In basketball terms, the Dems used the sideline (calendar) as a sixth defender. There is likely not enough time for the GOP to demagogue that issue, and finish their other business. So, once again, Tim S. is under-informed on logistics of our sloppy government. (Yawn)

Here's a RTW primer: if you work somewhere that has a union, 50% plus one of the workers voted for it. Get over it, or gather enough signatures to de-certify. That's the law, and it cuts both ways. And all workers are covered by a CBA. So all should pay for union rep work..NOT political work, whose activity should be paid by voluntary contributions.

Republicans went for overkill. Overplayed their hand.

Which is not surprising, because they'd labored under the despot Bauer as Speaker. Pent-up anger spilled over. Jeff Espich is writing the budget again. Jeff Freaking Espich. Who wrote the budget when Otis Bowen was governor. Again, I say: term limits.

See how this comes full circle?

2011-03-29 08:29:22

indykjsharp [unverified] said:

Did anyone notice (in the editorial) the jab at Obama's military intervention in Libya? "...rushed into the walkout without a well-defined exit strategy."

2011-03-29 11:26:35

Whitebeard [unverified] said:

The far-right-wing Republicans in the Statehouse and My Multi-Millionaire Mitch
were all ready to steamroll extremist legislation through.

The Democrats may have not completely stopped the steamroller, but they slowed it down some and I give them (Demos) great credit for it.

When I was young, the Democrat Party represented the "have littles" and "have nots" in this country. Nationally, it has strayed from that since. But these state Demos resurrected it and I'm grateful to them.

John Lennon: A working-class hero is something to be.

2011-03-29 11:36:07

Tom Greenacres [unverified] said:

The Dems called attention to the fact that Republicans had an agenda they expected to ram through, enabeld by simple majority. I was not a fan of the walkout and think that voters in St Joe County sniff too much kielbasa; how else to explain why they send their representative to the GA?

The walkout outed the GOP agenda. It may come back to haunt the Dems in November, but ti slowed down the ramma jamma schedule in the GA.

As for charter schools, does anyone out there know of a connection between the charter school bigs and ACS/Xerox? ACS and owner Xerox possibly have business interest in charters...but how deep are those interests...could their lobbyists have reached out to the Republican caucus causing the rush to support charters...is Mitch Roob's hand in this somewhere?

2011-03-29 15:04:25

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Please, no Roob references anywhere near a meal time.

2011-03-29 19:10:33

Jason [unverified] said:

Well, people who were paying attention and don't have a partisan agenda learned a lot.

For starters, if 50% plus 1 want something, you don't have to get over it. You can just call in scared and leave for another state. This walkout didn't bring attention to anything other than the Democrats ability to rationalize one of the most egregious and immoral of governmental sins. Yes, they would have lost, that's the point, but instead of either trying to have a meaningful debate or calling out the Republicans for not hearing them, they decided to make this all about them. And the will of the people wasn't served, at the expense of a big-business special interest.

In regard to both parties, instead of these jackballs actually solving problems they spent the whole time tattling on each other. I swear I see more logic on Nickelodeon than what I ever get from these people.

Our problems will continue. Unions won't budge, our politicians will continue to underfund and steal money from public employees' pensions, and these 'huge, unaffordable public pension entitlement programs' will continue to be cannon fodder for talk radio, regardless of the fact that every state's payout system is unique. The politicians will continue to hide this, by adopting unrealistic rates of return, inflating growth rates, and 'borrowing' money from somewhere else for a while before giving it back.

I'm guessing the goofs running ISTA's retirement fund that bought in heavily on mortgage-backed securities probably weren't held accountable for their horrible investment decisions either.

Other internal problems will continue because people are too scared of change. Those who want to blame the unions for their kid waking up with an ear infection will blame the unions. Those who defend the unions to the death will never hold them accountable. But hey, what difference does it make. If ever a majority dares to push something through, all their going to see is a**es and elbows from everybody running away.

2011-03-30 11:42:55

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