Micky Maurer says a mouthful

Dateline: Mon 21 Mar 2011

The following column appeared Saturday in the Indianapolis Business Journal, written by none less than the owner, Mickey Maurer.

Thanks to Rick Sutton for pointing it out. Sutton is president of Indiana Equality, and their page on Facebook also features this column. (which is where I lifted it -- so thanks to IE too).

Mainly, bully for Maurer for telling it like it needs to be told...and using grace and humor to do so. Because that is what this state needs: grace and humor. And an end to so much noise over social issues.

Here's Maurer:

 

"My fellow Tea Party Republicans, I have an idea. Let’s enact legislation requiring immigrants and homosexuals to wear purple hats. If we are going to treat them differently, we have to know who they are—on sight. Then we can confront someone wearing a purple hat and if he doesn’t speak English, boom, back to Mexico. Likewise homosexuals. We do not want them here, either.

"There are no legal challenges to the current law banning same-sex marriages, but the law does not sufficiently set apart and condemn homosexuality. The proposed marriage rights amendment that passed the House and is before the Senate in committee goes a long way. It prohibits not only the union but the other incidences of marriage attached to any unmarried couple.

"Under this legislation, homosexuals cannot receive violence protection against assault by their partner, cannot automatically make health care decisions for their partner in an emergency, cannot qualify for partner’s benefits for health insurance or life insurance, cannot share custody of their shared children, and cannot adopt. But the amendment does not go far enough. We need to compel gays to wear purple hats so we can identify them and encourage them to live in San Francisco or Key West, anywhere but our God-protected sacred land.

"I confess—this idea is not original. Remember armbands? They have been used to identify the people who are not like us for hundreds of years — before even the Spanish Inquisition or the Aryan Society of Germany. This kind of designation and identification of the objects of righteous wrath has been seen many times before in many variations—and it works.

"We cannot be derailed by the moderate Republicans and some Democrats who supported the election of a Republican majority in the Indiana Legislature with the encouragement of the governor in a good-faith effort to effect a sound fiscal policy. Pay no attention when those moderates claim that this well-intentioned effort has unleashed the serpent of prejudice and hatred that may send Indiana reeling economically, socially and morally.

"The purple hat legislation will be no ordinary bill. It will go to the core, to the heart, of who we are as Hoosiers. Hoosiers are white, heterosexual, English-speaking, Christian men and women. The purple hat legislation will tell the world that we will not abide anybody that is not just like us. That seems fair. Anybody that does not meet our definition of Hoosier must be penalized and encouraged to leave. Live and let live—but not on the banks of the Wabash.

"We have to carefully teach our children. They are not born with the same fine-tuned understanding that we have about what God wants. They are too pure and accepting of their fellow man. That is why you must continue your good work in suppressing attempts to enact school bullying legislation. Our children must be encouraged to harass their undesirable classmates, the kids wearing the little purple beanies.

"We could take the time to overcome our ignorance and learn that those with the purple hats are more similar to us than we like to think. Though some have problems with our language or have a different sexual orientation, we may learn that they have ambitions, goals and ideals—that they are human beings who love our country and this state. But why bother? Better to treat them like toxic waste and ship them out.

"Why stop with immigrants and homosexuals? With this good idea we can double back and pick up the gypsies and the Jews and the blacks and the Catholics. Well, not the blacks, they do not need a purple hat—after all, they are black.

"What difference does it make if we precipitate an economic disaster? Who cares that we will lose opportunity for businesses that may have otherwise considered moving to Indiana and for conventioneers who will undoubtedly revel elsewhere? We may not be as economically viable, but at least Indiana will be ours.

"Your legislative representatives are going to love this idea. Soon we will have the Indiana we have all been hoping and praying for.•

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"Maurer is a shareholder in IBJ Corp., which owns Indianapolis Business Journal.  His column appears every other week. To comment on this column, send e-mail to mmaurer@ibj.com."

Comments

Robert Feightner [unverified] said:

Well stated, Mr. Maurer. This anti-immigrant bigotry and xenophobia makes me physically ill that I moved back from New Mexico to be with family. I love my family, of course, but I share your concerns about some of our hoosiers.

2011-03-21 15:30:46

kevin jenson [unverified] said:

What a joke. Maurer's diatribe reminds me of Cummins Inc., vice president of human resources Jill Cook who testified to the Indiana Senate that Cummins may not expand in Indiana if the ban on gay marriage is added to the Constitution. The obvious problem with Maurer and Cummins' threats are that Cummins decided to add several hundred new jobs in Tennessee AFTER Tennessee joined 30 other states in banning gay marriage. So why is Cummins gnashing their collective teeth over a proposed marriage amendment in one state just months after heralding its expansion into a state that already had such an amendment in place? Maybe because Cummins in reality knows its not bad for business to hire employees in conservative states that still understand the value of marriage as it has been defined from time immemorial... but it DOES still have its Human Rights Campaign overlords to publicly appease.

2011-03-21 15:59:06

Howard Smulevitz [unverified] said:

Thanks to Rick and Ruth, and thank you, Mickey, for saying what has to be shouted from the rooftops (and for being subtle enough not to specify yellow six-pointed stars; nevertheless, you do conjure up the notion of Hoosier stormtroopers - go ahead and imagine what they would look like.
Mickey, perhaps you could personally ask your man Mitch to adopt and publicly espouse these sentiments, without recourse to demeaning economic arguments.
Mickey, you know of course that we are less than a month from the first night of Passover, when we declare that we must recognize and defeat new forms of bigotry, lest we fall back into servitude. There could be no better time for your column. Thank you again.

2011-03-21 16:01:31

hendy [Member] said:

Maurer bucks the trend of gay-bashing, xenophobic, pseudo-religious types. Took a few guts to do that.

As I replied to his column after having read Ruth's post, I think we need a lot more purple hats. He draws the line at religious boundaries, and sexual identity boundaries. But what about underperforming students and teachers? Pesky union people? How about those in favor of Indiana being the #2 pollution state in the US?

I guess I should be happy for what I get. When I wrote my column there on the charter school/teachers union madness, it shot up to the top of their charts for weeks. What's happened is that we elected a reactionary group of individuals dedicated to political martyrdom. Bosma's probably used to that. It's his day in the sun..... to wither.

2011-03-21 16:28:36

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Kevin, honey, try to read up before you take Eric Miller's printed propaganda and spit it back out verbatim.

That tired argument was used at the Senate hearing, to which Cummins responded:

They've had a customer care call center in Nashville for years. They don't have any other CC centers anywhere...they needed to expand their Customer Care department--it made sense to expand it where it already exists. The ONLY place in their system that it exists.

As in: they don't have one in Columbus. So to install one, they'd have to duplicate infrastructure that already exists.

Step back from Mr. Miller's arse, huh? It's been kissed enough by homophobic legislators who felt threatened by that tinpot dictator.

Your side will probably win this round. But every single damned time you post or say something stupid or inaccurate, expect to get called out.

Sorry for the lack of class, Ruth. It's time to call out the nonsense.

Hendy--he can't control his caucus. Bosma doesn't believe most of this crap. But he has 15-20 members who do. Religiously. In every sense of the word "religion."

2011-03-21 17:04:14

Ellen McKinney [unverified] said:

TTT wrote:
Religiously. In every sense of the word "religion."


don't you mean every sense of the word "religion" except the sense that each of the world's 14 or so major faiths advocates -- treating others as we would like to be treated?

what pisses me off most about the "social issue" battles the right wing fights is that they score points twice with their army of bigot-clones: first, when they introduce, fight for and maybe even pass something obviously unconstitutional, and then again when them evil dimmycrats n libruls n judges strike down what's obviously god's work of persecuting the "others" or making taxpayers foot part of the bill to teach creation "science" or hatred of the "infidel" or a creed that's just enough different from other christians' to make "us" right and "them" wrong. because, yknow, it worked so well for northern ireland.

where can i get one of those "dear god, save me from your followers" bumper stickers? or maybe one of mickey maurer's purple hats, just as the king of denmark and most of his subjects donned yellow stars when the nazis ordered danish jews to wear them.

2011-03-21 19:17:18

hendy [Member] said:

I have friends whose parents have the tattoos. Hungarians and Romanians liberated from concentration camps. The fearful know no bounds. I don't mind the religious, just the orthodox. They believe they have God on their side, and are invincible and completely within their duty to act as the 'hand of God'.

Bosma insulted people with his implementation of God into the legislature. The litigation cost a lot of money. The 'In God We Trust' plates still circulate around Indiana. You might presume that they're lovers, but they're haters. In their sense of greed they feel the loss of their heterosexual marriages when two of the same gender identification can have it. They cite scripture. They're actually tools of leaders; the leaders in turn aren't punished or vilified. It's the imams, the pastors, the rectors, the reverends that spread this-- some of them. The current generation will have none of this. Just as my generation rejected racism, the one prior, anti-unionism, so will the next generation reject sexual identification pressure and relationship.

What will happen is what I found regarding the initial title to my old, now-sold property on Kessler. That is, that the only valid purchaser could be one of the pure white Christian race, excluding all others, including Chinamen, Asians, Negros and Negras (and the list goes on in the title for a long paragraph. This was accepted verbage in the bad old days.

One day, someone will try to exclude non-heterosexuals in the same way. And a future generation will take a look and shake their heads, as I did, as I read the title.

Fag-bashers have a reward coming to them: what all bashers deserve.

2011-03-21 20:01:45

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

I don't think Mickey chose his color at random.

Purple triangles denoted Jehovah's Witnesses during the Nazi era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_triangle

2011-03-21 20:33:14

Glenda Honeycutt [unverified] said:

If a person is paying taxes, then he/she/whatever should be allowed to marry, cover their partner with their group insurance etc.. If they are not recognized then maybe they should stop paying taxes and see how the goverment survives.

2011-03-21 23:49:34

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Pink was the color for gays, Cynical. Thanks for the flashback.

Go, Hendy! And for what it's worth, I've randomly observed that the "In God..." plate holders, are the worst drivers. We have Rep. Woody Burton to thank for that tripe. Brother of Dan. Build your own joke.

OK, I can't resist. Harrison Ullman once told me, after observing a debate on this issue, that legislators had "brains like BBs on a four-lane highway."

People of faith do think otherwise on this issue. The Interfaith Coalition on Nondiscrimination, presented a Pastoral Letter against HJR6, signed by 140 pastors and faith leaders from around Indiana.

In God THEY trust.



2011-03-22 05:21:03

Tom Greenacres [unverified] said:

"conservative states that still "understand the value of marriage as it has been defined from time immemorial.."

Kevin, would that be the "value" that treated women as property (and which is still the case in practice if not by law) until recent generations, that denied women the rights of property ownership or inheritance or even proetection under the law? Would that value standard be affected by a 50% divorce rate, or the multiple marriages of some of the most vociferous defenders of marginalization and bigotry?

Zealots can't exist without somebody to marginalize. Jews and blacks have served white Christians well for for this purpose for centuries. Where would the National Socialists have been without them? (And where would the Irish have been without- your choice-- Catholics and Protestants.)

Blacks and Jews have become categorically strong enough that they don't have to put up with marginalization any longer. Gays aren't there yet, so they serve the purpose of whipping boy for the white zealots in the General Assembly. (I won't characterize them as white hetero zealots, since I suspect there are closeted gays among them, and there is no more enthusiastic bigot than a closet bigot.)

Zealots need wedge issues to raise money. Hence the misspent effort, in time and money and good will, to enact a ban on top of a ban that already exists, on the grounds that judges might over rule the current law (which, incidentally, they could also do, with somewhat more difficulty, if the ban becomes a matter of the constitution, making all this a pandering stunt by the wing nuts).

2011-03-22 05:27:07

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Wow. "Zealots can't exist without someone to marginalize." After they "finish" with the gays, in a few years, who's next?

Someone could teach a whole college course on that one sentence. Brilliant.

And for the faint-of-heart: try looking into the fud-raising of some of the loudest HJR6 proponents: Micah Clark's organization, Eric Miller's...and how much they pay themselves. They haul in an expensive Arizona attorney for legislative hearings, who makes a living off this issue. And then there's Mr. Bopp from Terre Haute, who is smart, but misguided. On multiple issues.

It's eye-opening. Low-rent pandering is evidently very profitable.

2011-03-22 08:32:42

John Guy [unverified] said:

Is there a way to make these points before The Senate Committee?

2011-03-22 10:18:20

Tom Greenacres [unverified] said:

"Pink was the color for gays,"

A pink triangle in the death camps was a ticket to the gas chamber, because homosexuality threatened the sanctity of marriage in the National Socialist state. Abortion also was forbidden. Fecundity was critical to replenishing approved human stock in the Reich. (But if a German woman slept with a Pole or Russian, they both would be made dead. Miscegenation, don't you know.)

Oy, the more things change the more they remain the same.

2011-03-22 10:32:18

kevin jenson [unverified] said:

It's funny to hear all this talk about the mean, white Christians suppressing every one's rights. It's funny because around 60 percent of African-Americans voted for the ban on gay marriage in California. Also when I lived in China, I found that homosexuality is generally not tolerated there. In October 1999, a Beijing court ruled that homosexuality "was abnormal and unacceptable to the Chinese public." Those atheist, communist Chinese really need a lecture from Micky to enlighten them.

Anyway, attacking evangelical Christians and claiming that they're racists and closet bigots overlooks the fact that more than 60 percent of evangelical Christians live in Asia, Africa, and South America. For example, a century ago less than 10 percent of Africa was Christian. Today it's nearly 50 percent. That's an increase from 10 million people in 1990 to more than 350 million today. And beware of Korea where there are now more evangelical Christians than Buddhists, and these Christians are exporting their faith to China. Moreover, here in America, evangelical Christianity is thriving. While the liberal Episcopal church lost 1.1 million members between 1960 and 2005, the conservative Southern Baptist church added 7.7 million members during that time. So get ready you fear-mongers, the Christians are coming for you. If you want to know why, read the book, "What's So Great About Christianity." Read it as if your life depended on it, because, in a way, it might.

2011-03-22 10:57:22

kevin jenson [unverified] said:

One thing I forgot to mention about China: The Chinese government has on several occasions rejected attempts to legalize same-sex marriage, including in 2007. So Micky needs to get on his high horse and ride over there pronto. I'm sure if he tells those secular Chinese to stop acting like white evangelical Christians, they will comply. Then again, since HIV infection has seen a rapid rise in China among men who engage in homosexual behavior, maybe the government wouldn't be so receptive to his proposal. That may be one reason the Chinese State Administration of Radio, Film and Television considers programming related to homosexual behavior to be contrary to a healthy lifestyle.

2011-03-22 11:16:10

Whitebeard [unverified] said:

Forgive me for diverting from the central focus of the blog post, but....

Most of us remember Bush exhorting us to come together as a unified nation after 9-11 and to express our patriotism by "flying and buying."

Mr. Maurer is using the forum available to him to make his points, but I have seen other local commentary stressing the "economic impact" of the activities of the right-wing exremists who appear to have gained control of the General Assembly.

I don't know why the making of money has to be brought into the picture when one's moral/ethical beliefs should be motivation enough.

But, then again, we're living in a country where money has become the primary deity for many. The current recession has just made it worse.

Again, this comment is not intended to in any way criticize the IBJ or the writer.

2011-03-22 11:26:09

hendy [Member] said:

I hesitate to start a flame war, but Mr Kevin Jenson, you appear to be just the kind of loose-fact, fear-bound Christian whose dogmatic approach is emblematic of distortion, zeal and divisiveness. Nothing I say is going to change your mind, because your mind is apparently closed to your pastor's dogma. His/her dogma, in my opinion, is plainly wrong.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your facts, and your facts need work. If you want to cite the Chinese government's morality, you need to rethink your sources.

2011-03-22 13:19:57

Tom Greenacres [unverified] said:

"It's funny to hear all this talk about the mean, white Christians suppressing every one's rights. It's funny because around 60 percent of African-Americans voted for the ban on gay marriage in California. Also when I lived in China, I found that homosexuality is generally not tolerated there."

This is what's called a non sequitor, i.e., WTF does China's intolerance have to do with what we are talking about? They hang homosexuals in Iran, which also is here irrelevant (but illustrative of religious zealotry and marginalization so the zealots can whip up Fear & Anger & Righteous Indignation. (Righteous Indignation always draws a bigger crowd than Reasoned Reflection.)

2011-03-22 13:30:10

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

It's a lot easier to drag red herrings across an argument than to debate its salient points.

2011-03-22 13:43:23

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

It's Lent. I'll try to be nicer to Kevin. It's clear someone probably bullied him as a child...maybe as an adult. No one gets to be that kind of jerk without good reason. I'm just conjecturing here...

Mr. Maurer is entitled, Kevin. He buys ink by the barrel. And sometimes, those folks are right, too.

Kev just pointed out why religious views have little or no place in legal debates. Those views can hold court in the hearts of the debaters, to be sure. I'm all for that.

Our Founders would weep at this warped view of religion/government.
They knew better.

An oppressive Church of England was closer to their background.

2011-03-22 14:40:13

kevin jenson [unverified] said:

To those readers who commented before and after my posts: thank you for making my point.

Who's to say that your ethno-centric view of how life should be lived is any better than China's? In the end, it's only your opinion. Which drives home the point that without absolute truth, man's morality is whatever man says it is. In Stalin's atheist Russia it was permissible to murder 20 million people because he said so. In Hitler's Nazi Germany the leaders embraced the vision of a new ethic "beyond good and evil" in which the "will to power" was the ultimate morality, sanctioning the death of anyone deemed racially impure. In Mao Zedong's atheist China, tens of millions who did not subscribe to his view of life were wiped out. In each country, man did what was right in his own eyes.

One person commented above, "You're entitled to your opinions but not your own facts." Okay, here's a fact for you: according to the Center for Disease Control more than 82 percent of all known sexually-transmitted AIDS cases in 2006 were the result of male-to-male sexual contact. See Center for Disease Control, Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006, HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, Volume 17, April 2008. See Table 17: Reported AIDS cases, by age category, transmission category, and sex, 2006 and cumulative.

There is a long list of maladies attendant upon those who engage in homosexual behavior. Of particular concern is anal cancer. According to the journal of the American Medical Association the risk of anal cancer soars by 4000 percent among those who engage in anal intercourse.

From an immunological point of view, the body itself considers homosexual acts to be unnatural. For instance, there are substances in seminal fluid called "immuno-regulatory macromolecules" that send out "signals" that are only understood by the female body, which will then permit the "two in one flesh" intimacy required for human reproduction. When deposited elsewhere, these signals are not only misunderstood, but cause sperm to fuse with whatever somatic body cell they encounter. This fusing is what often results in the development of cancerous malignancies. ("Sexual Behavior and Increased Anal Cancer", Immunology and Cell Biology 75 (1977); 181-183))

Why should society give governmental approval to behavior that puts a person in grave danger and costs Americans millions in higher health insurance premiums? While people are free to harm themselves, such as by smoking or drug abuse, government is not required to encourage such behavior. However, in today's debate, homosexual activism and political correctness are clearly trumping science.

2011-03-22 15:21:47

Tom Greenacres [unverified] said:

"Why should society give governmental approval to behavior that puts a person in grave danger and costs Americans millions in higher health insurance premiums?"

I agree. Stamp out intercourse among we breeders and you can put an end to pregnancies, keep women safer and reduce all our insurance rates.

2011-03-22 16:28:06

hendy [Member] said:

You ask, "Why should society give governmental approval to behavior that puts a person in grave danger and cost millions....?

Do you know how many men have sex together and DON'T get HIV? How about women that have sex with women? Their HIV infection rates are less than televanglists!

Your citation regarding these "signals" in sexual behavior is an often cited religious rubric against have been time and again hoisted (incorrectly) against anal cancer in homosexuals. If this were the case, I'd have so much skin cancer right now I'd be dead! It's just not true, Kevin. It's more FUD. And you leave out any arguments regarding the myriad people of the rainbow.... lesbians, transgender people, bisexuals, and so on.

There are many very well-thought of individuals that are gay or otherwise part of the sexual rainbow that have deep religious convictions. Comparing Stalin and Hitler and their pogroms, hatred, and eugenics to the way men are attracted to men, women to women, etc., is plainly ludicrous. Those great white 'statesmen' the KKK that controlled Indiana in the 1930s were also wrong. Not Godless, just wrong about the nature of race, eugenics, and oh yeah, pogroms.

Homosexuality doesn't favor Darwinism. Yet it remains, generation after generation, as it will, forever. It's the way God made people. Those people deserve relationships with the legal status that we afford other relationships-- along with the contingency that people enter into them as partners, and hopefully, for keeps. This status, and no less than this status (and no more than this), are what people deserve.

2011-03-22 17:14:28

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Hendy, brilliant.

Kevin: nice try. But pathetic in the end, as much as it was in the beginning. I doubt you believe your drivel, but you did stir the pot, didn't you?


2011-03-23 05:17:57

Jason [unverified] said:

Well he definitely chose an interesting way to get his point across.

The comparisons between this obviously tongue-in-cheek article and Nazi death camps would be mildly amusing in some circles. Here it just falls dead flat.

I think what Mr. Jenson is trying to point out is that we lack objectivity. Believe it or not our nation is still the most hospitable, welcoming, diverse, and welcoming of diversity in the developed world. That won't change.

Just out of curiosity, when did people start using immigration and illegal immigration as synonymous terms? That speaks to an agenda. By that logic, can I argue people in favor of our current immigration policy are obviously supplied by the human slave trade, since we have hundreds of thousands of people actually living as slaves in this country and their perpetual servitude is ensured by the federal government's failure to address this issue? Don't even get me started on the national defense implications. This belief that people who oppose illegal immigration are somehow xenophobic, anti-immigrant, and pro-white is needs a little more explanation. Did you like it when people asked "are you pro-war or anti-troops?"

The real irony here is we've got one set of rigid dogmatic principles in the name of religion running into another set of rigid dogmatic principles in the name of, I don't know what it is, unreligion?

2011-03-23 12:12:19

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Jason:

I hear you. But a little factual interlude here: I've traveled to foreign nations. I can name many that are more hospitable and tolerant than America: Holland for one. Finland, Sweeden, Denmark...

I don't want to live in those countries. Hell a couple sitll have monarchs. And I don't mention them, to invite some sort of "move there" retort from Jensen. But those nations are incredibly open-minded about social issues.

In every example named abbove (and I'm sure there are others), one over-arching fact rules: they don't let religion guide their government.

Add to that list: Canada. In spades.

The opposite dogma--who is it?

For the msot part, it's folks who understand that our Constitution is supposed to grant us equal rights.

I know it's a quaint subject, especially if someone thinks their religion trumps mine.

But facts are funny/stubborn things.

2011-03-23 14:38:10

Ms. Cynical [unverified] said:

Yes, Jason, you're right.

The Founding Fathers may have argued whether all men are equal but they did agree that all had equal rights.

Fortunately, women and non-Caucausians were added to this latter category as "all men" was expanded to include the rest of us.

2011-03-23 19:15:01

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Perfect proof, Cynical, that "equality" is an evolving, moving and changing target.

And none of the updates we've made in that category, have killed the republic, huh?

They all seem to be valid and effective improvements.

2011-03-24 10:37:29

Jason [unverified] said:

Equality as a moving target! I love that. Which, IMHO, leads some people to being more equal than others on occasion.

My wife's grandfather came over on the boat from Holland as a child and in his return trips his experiences were different than yours, TTT, but I won't begrudge what you've seen first-hand. He got yelled at by his neighbor for not sweeping off his porch every morning. They're a clean lot, those Dutch.

Travelling abroad I would say many nations are much more hospitable to foreigners, no disagreement, but they are much more homogenous than ours. Oftentimes it's a cultural issue. And living is a lot different than travelling. I visited a sibling overseas last month and was blown away by A) the overwhelming hospitality, to include the proprietor of a restaurant running outside and stopping traffic to help us exi the parking lot and B) everybody staring at us because we looked different than anyone else.

Either way, I vote we take the religious fundamentalists, secular humanist zealots, spiritual atheist nutjobs, and bible thumpers, load them into a shopping cart and roll'em down a steep hill.

2011-03-24 10:53:51

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Steep hil? Lemme think that over.

OK. Jim Bopp, for sure. And that attorney from Ariz. who argues for them at every legislative hearing. Such legal whorishness needs to be punished somehow. The others? I'd give them a reprieve. It's Lent.

Forgive them Father. They know not what they do.

2011-03-24 12:37:55

Jason [unverified] said:

Would you settle for the other side of the parking lot?

2011-03-24 17:25:04

Roberta X [unverified] said:

Y'know, it is possible to have no problem with the GLTBQ (...) folks or immigrants -- and still not be especially comfy about people who didn't, actaully, immigate.

Sneaking in isn't "immigration," it's criminal behavior. If you -- or Mr. Maurer -- had any actual interest in improving things for such people, you'd be working to change immigration laws. There's a way to turn those skulking criminals into U.S. citizens and it's not by waving a magic wand. It's been around for years. Last time I checked, there were still quotas and bottlenecks that made it rewarding (especially for low-skill workers) to avoid the process. Fix that and you can fix the problem. Of course, you'll probably have to pay the pool boy more. Too bad!

2011-03-26 11:40:36

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

Roberta: My dear, I invite you to a Reality Check. Here's the home version of this game:

Quotas and bottlenecks are even tighter because of the (over-reaching) Patriot Act. (Never in US History has something so void of Liberty been so falsely labeled)

The problem was, and is: emplopyers who skirt the law and hire illegals. Employers, as in folks who hire nannies, and builders who want cheap labor. Very few large cmpanies hire illegals, because their employment files are too-routinely checked by the feds.

That was and still is a federal issue. For damned good reason: uniformity. Our AG, for instance, can't decide whether consistency is important, or poltiics. He' so damned confused this session he doesn't know whether to wipe his watch or wind his ass.

Sometimes, uniformity is too slow. But it's preferred to the nonsense like Delph is pushing through.

Criminal behavior indeed. Murder is criminal behavior. Car theft is criminal behavior.

Trying to make your family's life better, via a hard day's work, is hardly criminal behavior. That endeavor's participants, know no borders.

It's all economically-driven, Roberta. And too many of Delph's Trojan-Horse leaders are feigning disgust over a truly difficult federal issue. Like his former boss, Dan Burton. That pea-brain.

As for the GLBT folk among us, the federals are introducing a new bill to allow civil unions, and they're not letting the neocons steal the naming rights: it's called: "Marriage Integrity Act." Or something similar.

Two can play this "naming" game.





2011-03-26 11:52:39

magbread [Member] said:

Micky Maurer makes excellent points. However, he didn't go far enough.

After reading that Indiana's "moral values" are one of the main reasons Mike Pence is considering a run for Governor, I realized that Mr. Maurer failed to address the worst "moral value violators" in Indiana:

THE MEN AND BOYS WHO FATHER ABORTED BABIES!!!!

HIPPA protects the mothers, of course, but the DADDIES who violate Congressman Pence's moral value standards must join Hoosier gays and illegals wearing purple hats, too!

2011-03-26 13:08:12

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

TIme to shut it down, Ruth. We've officially entered the Twilight Zone.

2011-03-26 15:17:48

magbread [Member] said:

A wise old Indy Star editor once said: "If men could have babies, the Catholic church would make abortion a sacrament."

Surely, TTT, you should be able to ID sarcasm better than this! Twilight Zone, indeed!

Fathers in unplanned pregnancies are the second most closeted, non-targeted players on the Christian Right's agenda today. The # 1 escapees from the Christian Right's attacks are: The fathers of unwanted babies who are actually born, but never ever supported by their dads.

2011-03-26 15:47:56

Tell The Truth [Member] said:

No, I didn't see the sarcasm.

Frankly, I still don't.

2011-03-26 20:12:49

magbread [Member] said:

"We've officially entered the Twilight Zone."

2011-03-26 20:49:51

whosear [Member] said:

Going through the comments here, playing catch-up:

As I said before, the Tea Party movement is a revolution against the hippie generation. A middle-aged one at that.

It seems that many of you should attend a meeting, go see what they're about and come to terms about what is happening around the world while both the left and the right is trying to pee down each others leg:

The bad news (for us) America is becoming irrelevant in the world...
The good news: America is becoming irrelevant in the world...

2011-03-26 21:53:45

Tom Greenacres [Member] said:

"The # 1 escapees from the Christian Right's attacks are: The fathers of unwanted babies who are actually born, but never ever supported by their dads."

And why is that, my inquiring mind asks? Because on occasion even zealots let the Little Head do their thinking and put one in the oven. Zealots cast a blind eye to hetero misdeeds because it is simply easier to marginalize gays than it is to take so many fellow zealots to task. Society in general gives a wink and nudge to the sexual frolics of men in power, so long as the frolicking takes place between man and woman. I wonder how closely zealot "leaders," those basations of moral rectitude, would want their private lives and standards held to scrutiny. The man who beats his wife and dog while wailing about the sanctity of marriage is no better than the Boy Scout leader who is overly fond of camping out with his boys.

2011-03-28 07:06:21

Jason [unverified] said:

TTT, to use a word like 'slow' is to imply that there is actually movement. There isn't any, hasn't been any for a loooooong time.

It's actually the government's responsibility to A) make sure people sign the registry, and B) make sure companies don't hire those in violation of A).

It's really easy for most people to treat this as a back burner, feet-dragging issue because they don't feel they are directly affected by it. On the best of days it's fueled everything from the drug war, a revival in the slave trade in the US, and a mish-mashed border policy which has cost the lives of countless innocent American and Mexican citizens.

ANYBODY doing ANYTHING towards enforcement at this point is a positive. It's not xenophobic or white-centric, it has everything to do with common sense and the rule of law (I know, a Quixotic combination if ever there was one.)

Hearing the anguish of some residents along the border during the recent hearings was incredible. Tales of waking up in the morning to find your car stolen several times a month, finding dead bodies, abandoned drugs, even a Quran or two.

2011-03-29 11:39:48

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